Transformation en grenouille

Mon adversaire a en jeu Surveillant des cimes enchanté avec voeu de foudre Soit une 3/3 avec +2/+2. La considère t'on comme une créature 5/5 vol initiative? Ou c'est une créature 3/3 vol gagnant +2+2 et l'initiative?
Car je voulais savoir si je joue dessus Transformation en grenouille , devient elle une 1/1 avec toujours +2/+2 initiative du fait de l'aura? ou alors ca devient conplètement une 1/1 et perd tout autre capacité?

[ Dernière modification par Handkiller le 08 sep 2012 à 15h17 ]

Un surveillant des cimes enchanté par voeu de foudre est une 5/5 flash, vol, initiative.
Pour savoir ce qui se passe avec transformation en grenouille, il faut regarder dans quelles couche les effets s'appliquent. Voilà la règle:

613.1. The values of an object’s characteristics are determined by starting with the actual object. For a
card, that means the values of the characteristics printed on that card. For a token or a copy of a
spell or card, that means the values of the characteristics defined by the effect that created it. Then
all applicable continuous effects are applied in a series of layers in the following order:
613.1a Layer 1: Copy effects are applied. See rule 706, “Copying Objects.”
613.1b Layer 2: Control-changing effects are applied.
613.1c Layer 3: Text-changing effects are applied. See rule 612, “Text-Changing Effects.”
613.1d Layer 4: Type-changing effects are applied. These include effects that change an object’s
card type, subtype, and/or supertype.
613.1e Layer 5: Color-changing effects are applied.
613.1f Layer 6: Ability-adding and ability-removing effects are applied.
613.1g Layer 7: Power- and/or toughness-changing effects are applied.
613.2. Within layers 1–6, apply effects from characteristic-defining abilities first (see rule 604.3), then
all other effects in timestamp order (see rule 613.6). Note that dependency may alter the order in
which effects are applied within a layer. (See rule 613.7.)
613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each
sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the
order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)
613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness
are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied.
613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don’t set power and/or toughness
to a specific number or value) are applied.
613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121,
“Counters.”
613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature’s power and toughness are applied. Such effects take
the value of power and apply it to the creature’s toughness, and take the value of toughness and
apply it to the creature’s power.
Example: A 1/3 creature is given +0/+1 by an effect. Then another effect switches the
creature’s power and toughness. Its new power and toughness is 4/1. A new effect gives
the creature +5/+0. Its “unswitched” power and toughness would be 6/4, so its actual
power and toughness is 4/6.
Example: A 1/3 creature is given +0/+1 by an effect. Then another effect switches the
creature’s power and toughness. Its new power and toughness is 4/1. If the +0/+1 effect
ends before the switch effect ends, the creature becomes 3/1.

ainsi on a:
couche 4: la créature devient une grenouille
couche 5: la créature devient bleue
couche 6: la créature acquiert l'initiative, la créature perd toutes ses capacités
couche 7b: la créature devient 1/1
couche 7c: la créature gagne +2/+2
On applique les effets dans l'ordre des couches. A l'intérieur de la couche 6, aucun effet ne provient d'une capacité de définition de caractéristique, et aucun ne dépend de l'autre, donc ont les applique dans l'ordre du tampon horaire, c'est-à-dire que le dernier créé prend le dessus.
Ainsi, la créature devient une grenouille 3/3 bleue sans capacités. Si le voeu était arrivé après la transformation, la créature aurait eu l'initiative.

 

Excuse moi mais rien compris.. faudra que j'aille lire tout ca en francais, mais merci