kiku Hors Ligne Membre Inactif depuis le 13/02/2022 Grade : [Modo Forum] Inscrit le 27/01/2005 5353 Messages/ 0 Contributions/ 3 Pts | Envoyé par kiku le Mercredi 27 Avril 2016 à 14:24
Bonjour !
Question tricky pour laquelle on est plusieurs à se poser des questions et on aimerait une aide de plus haut niveau :
When Obzedat, Ghost Council enters the battlefield, target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
At the beginning of your end step you may exile Obzedat. If you do, return it to the battlefield under it's owner's control at the beginning of your next upkeep. It gains haste.
Début de mon étape de fin je l'exile. Au lieu de le mettre en exil je le mets en zone de commandement car c'est mon général dans une partie de Duel Commander. Début de mon entretien suivant, est-ce qu'il revient ?
On a checké tout ça et on n'est toujours pas sûrs :
603.7. An effect may create a delayed triggered ability that can do something at a later time. A delayed triggered ability will contain “when,” “whenever,” or “at,” although that word won’t usually begin the ability.
603.7a Delayed triggered abilities come from spells or other abilities that create them on resolution, or are created as the result of a replacement effect being applied. That means a delayed triggered ability won’t trigger until it has actually been created, even if its trigger event occurred just beforehand. Other events that happen earlier may make the trigger event impossible.
Example: Part of an effect reads “When this creature leaves the battlefield,” but the creature in question leaves the battlefield before the spell or ability creating the effect resolves. In this case, the delayed ability never triggers.
Example: If an effect reads “When this creature becomes untapped” and the named creature becomes untapped before the effect resolves, the ability waits for the next time that creature untaps.
603.7b A delayed triggered ability will trigger only once—the next time its trigger event occurs—unless it has a stated duration, such as “this turn.”
603.7c A delayed triggered ability that refers to a particular object still affects it even if the object changes characteristics. However, if that object is no longer in the zone it’s expected to be in at the time the delayed triggered ability resolves, the ability won’t affect it. (Note that if that object left that zone and then returned, it’s a new object and thus won’t be affected. See rule 400.7.)
Example: An ability that reads “Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step” will exile the permanent even if it’s no longer a creature during the next end step. However, it won’t do anything if the permanent left the battlefield before then.
603.7d If a spell creates a delayed triggered ability, the source of that delayed triggered ability is that spell. The controller of that delayed triggered ability is the player who controlled that spell as it resolved.
603.7e If an activated or triggered ability creates a delayed triggered ability, the source of that delayed triggered ability is the same as the source of that other ability. The controller of that delayed triggered ability is the player who controlled that other ability as it resolved.
603.7f If a static ability generates a replacement effect which causes a delayed triggered ability to be created, the source of that delayed triggered ability is the object with that static ability. The controller of that delayed triggered ability is the same as the controller of that object at the time the replacement effect was applied.
603.8. Some triggered abilities trigger when a game state (such as a player controlling no permanents of a particular card type) is true, rather than triggering when an event occurs. These abilities trigger as soon as the game state matches the condition. They’ll go onto the stack at the next available opportunity. These are called state triggers. (Note that state triggers aren’t the same as state-based actions.) A state-triggered ability doesn’t trigger again until the ability has resolved, has been countered, or has otherwise left the stack. Then, if the object with the ability is still in the same zone and the game state still matches its trigger condition, the ability will trigger again.
Example: A permanent’s ability reads, “Whenever you have no cards in hand, draw a card.” If its controller plays the last card from his or her hand, the ability will trigger once and won’t trigger again until it has resolved. If its controller casts a spell that reads “Discard your hand, then draw that many cards,” the ability will trigger during the spell’s resolution because the player’s hand was momentarily empty.
603.9. Some triggered abilities trigger specifically when a player loses the game. These abilities trigger when a player loses or leaves the game, regardless of the reason, unless that player leaves the game as the result of a draw. See rule 104.3.
603.10. Some objects have a static ability that’s linked to one or more triggered abilities. (See rule 607, “Linked Abilities.”) These objects combine the abilities into one paragraph, with the static ability first, followed by each triggered ability that’s linked to it. A very few objects have triggered abilities which are written with the trigger condition in the middle of the ability, rather than at the beginning.
Example: An ability that reads “Reveal the first card you draw each turn. Whenever you reveal a basic land card this way, draw a card” is a static ability linked to a triggered ability.
Sa capacité s'est résolue sans encombres, mais il n'est plus en exil, donc le doute nous habite.
Merci d'avance et bonne journée !
Kiku
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Tsurugi-Aisuhino Hors Ligne Membre Inactif depuis le 20/10/2023 Grade : [Nomade] Inscrit le 04/06/2010 6144 Messages/ 0 Contributions/ 0 Pts | Envoyé par Tsurugi-Aisuhino le Mercredi 27 Avril 2016 à 14:38
Ici, on met les liens : Obzedat, ghoust council.
Le delayed trigger te dit de le remettre sur le cdb, ce que tu feras, peu importe s'il est en exil ou en command zone.
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Elloni Hors Ligne Membre Passif depuis le 05/04/2022 Grade : [Nomade] Inscrit le 14/04/2009 2289 Messages/ 0 Contributions/ 0 Pts | Envoyé par Elloni le Mercredi 27 Avril 2016 à 14:43
La zone depuis laquelle Obzedat devrait revenir n'est pas fixée par la capacité.
Dans la mesure ou Obzedat est allez en zone de commandement à la place de l'exil via une capacité de remplacement, la capacité sera en mesure de retrouver la carte dans la zone ou elle est allée initialement et donc de la renvoyer en jeux.
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molodiets Hors Ligne Membre Actif Grade : [Nomade] Inscrit le 10/11/2006 Dernière connexion : le 19/04 à 18:04 8035 Messages/ 0 Contributions/ 0 Pts | Envoyé par molodiets le Mercredi 27 Avril 2016 à 15:21
ca a meme été dit et répété sur le topic concernant Obzedat, Ghost Council en duel commander
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