Zada, broyeuse d'hédron

Le 10/09/2015 à 14:42, GauthMilk avait écrit ...
Négatif ! Il faut bien lire la carte messieurs : "À chaque fois que vous lancez un sort d'éphémère ou de rituel qui ne CIBLE que Zada" 
La capacité de Zada ne se déclenche que lorsqu'elle est uniquement ciblé, et non lorsque qu'un rituel ou éphémère est lancé comme viens de le dire Tripel_Ix .

Lorsque que vous lancez un sort de rituel ou d'éphémère, si celui ci est contré, vous ne pouvez en aucun cas cibler une créature ! En y réfléchissant c'est logique non ? A quoi bon contrer un sort si celui ci se résout quand même ^^.

Le 10/09/2015 à 14:42, GauthMilk avait écrit ...
Négatif ! Il faut bien lire la carte messieurs : "À chaque fois que vous lancez un sort d'éphémère ou de rituel qui ne CIBLE que Zada" 
La capacité de Zada ne se déclenche que lorsqu'elle est uniquement ciblé, et non lorsque qu'un rituel ou éphémère est lancé comme viens de le dire Tripel_Ix .

Lorsque que vous lancez un sort de rituel ou d'éphémère, si celui ci est contré, vous ne pouvez en aucun cas cibler une créature ! En y réfléchissant c'est logique non ? A quoi bon contrer un sort si celui ci se résout quand même ^^.

601. Casting Spells

601.1. Previously, the action of casting a spell, or casting a card as a spell, was referred to on cards as “playing” that spell or that card. Cards that were printed with that text have received errata in the Oracle card reference so they now refer to “casting” that spell or that card.

601.1a Some effects still refer to “playing” a card. “Playing a card” means playing that card as a land or casting that card as a spell, whichever is appropriate.

601.2. To cast a spell is to take it from where it is (usually the hand), put it on the stack, and pay its costs, so that it will eventually resolve and have its effect. Casting a spell includes proposal of the spell (rules 601.2a–e) and determination and payment of costs (rules 601.2f–h). To cast a spell, a player follows the steps listed below, in order. If, at any point during the casting of a spell, a player is unable to comply with any of the steps listed below, the casting of the spell is illegal; the game returns to the moment before the casting of that spell was proposed (see rule 717, “Handling Illegal Actions”).

601.2a To propose the casting of a spell, a player first moves that card (or that copy of a card) from where it is to the stack. It becomes the topmost object on the stack. It has all the characteristics of the card (or the copy of a card) associated with it, and that player becomes its controller. The spell remains on the stack until it’s countered, it resolves, or an effect moves it elsewhere. Whether casting the proposed spell is a legal action isn’t checked at this time.

601.2b If the spell is modal, the player announces the mode choice (see rule 700.2). If the player wishes to splice any cards onto the spell (see rule 702.46), he or she reveals those cards in his or her hand. If the spell has alternative or additional costs that will be paid as it’s being cast such as buyback or kicker costs (see rules 117.8 and 117.9), the player announces his or her intentions to pay any or all of those costs (see rule 601.2f). A player can’t apply two alternative methods of casting or two alternative costs to a single spell. If the spell has a variable cost that will be paid as it’s being cast (such as an {X} in its mana cost; see rule 107.3), the player announces the value of that variable. If a cost that will be paid as the spell is being cast includes hybrid mana symbols, the player announces the nonhybrid equivalent cost he or she intends to pay. If a cost that will be paid as the spell is being cast includes Phyrexian mana symbols, the player announces whether he or she intends to pay 2 life or the corresponding colored mana cost for each of those symbols. Previously made choices (such as choosing to cast a spell with flashback from a graveyard or choosing to cast a creature with morph face down) may restrict the player’s options when making these choices.

601.2c The player announces his or her choice of an appropriate player, object, or zone for each target the spell requires. A spell may require some targets only if an alternative or additional cost (such as a buyback or kicker cost), or a particular mode, was chosen for it; otherwise, the spell is cast as though it did not require those targets. If the spell has a variable number of targets, the player announces how many targets he or she will choose before he or she announces those targets. The same target can’t be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word “target” on the spell. However, if the spell uses the word “target” in multiple places, the same object, player, or zone can be chosen once for each instance of the word “target” (as long as it fits the targeting criteria). If any effects say that an object or player must be chosen as a target, the player chooses targets so that he or she obeys the maximum possible number of such effects without violating any rules or effects that say that an object or player can’t be chosen as a target. The chosen players, objects, and/or zones each become a target of that spell. (Any abilities that trigger when those players, objects, and/or zones become the target of a spell trigger at this point; they’ll wait to be put on the stack until the spell has finished being cast.)
Example: If a spell says “Tap two target creatures,” then the same creature can’t be chosen twice; the spell requires two different legal targets. A spell that says “Destroy target artifact and target land,” however, can target the same artifact land twice because it uses the word “target” in multiple places.

601.2d If the spell requires the player to divide or distribute an effect (such as damage or counters) among one or more targets, the player announces the division. Each of these targets must receive at least one of whatever is being divided.

601.2e Based on the previous announcements, the game checks to see if the proposed spell can legally be cast based on applicable timing rules (including ones based on the card’s type) and other effects that may allow a spell to be cast or prohibit a spell from being cast. If the proposed spell is illegal, the game returns to the moment before the casting of that spell was proposed (see rule 717, “Handling Illegal Actions”).

601.2f The player determines the total cost of the spell. Usually this is just the mana cost. Some spells have additional or alternative costs. Some effects may increase or reduce the cost to pay, or may provide other alternative costs. Costs may include paying mana, tapping permanents, sacrificing permanents, discarding cards, and so on. The total cost is the mana cost or alternative cost (as determined in rule 601.2b), plus all additional costs and cost increases, and minus all cost reductions. If multiple cost reductions apply, the player may apply them in any order. If the mana component of the total cost is reduced to nothing by cost reduction effects, it is considered to be {0}. It can’t be reduced to less than {0}. Once the total cost is determined, any effects that directly affect the total cost are applied. Then the resulting total cost becomes “locked in.” If effects would change the total cost after this time, they have no effect.

601.2g If the total cost includes a mana payment, the player then has a chance to activate mana abilities (see rule 605, “Mana Abilities”). Mana abilities must be activated before costs are paid.

Le 10/09/2015 à 15:39, lyon4 avait écrit ...
et sinon, non, on ne peut pas allumer un bûcher sur le forum.

Mettons que je lance Giant Growth sur un Cadet Impatient (pour l'exemple) et que je lance Swerve sur Growth en la redirigeant sur Zada. Quand est ce que la capacité de Zada sera déclenchée? Après la résolution de Swerve?

Dans la même veine: si Growth cible initialement Zada, mais que en réponse à sa capacité je lance Swerve pour rediriger Growth sur le Cadet, le cadet sera la cible de Growth et de sa copie alors que Zada ne sera ciblé par aucun sort, c'est bien ça?

Le 10/09/2015 à 17:05, molodiets avait écrit ...

Mettons que je lance Giant Growth sur un Cadet Impatient (pour l'exemple) et que je lance Swerve sur Growth en la redirigeant sur Zada. Quand est ce que la capacité de Zada sera déclenchée? Après la résolution de Swerve?

tu n'as pas lancé de sorts qui ciblait uniquement zada? Alors pourquoi sa capacité se déclencherait elle